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#32 [url]

Sep 13 11 5:11 AM

yes indeed a great price !,But this is Known as Vietnamese/US Marine Corp issue  "wave pattern" (see Bobs posting!  )


just to clear this matter up we do not use USMC gear in this group under any circumstance's you can own it and wear it at night but will NOT be allowed to use on our display's

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#33 [url]

Sep 13 11 5:17 AM

Nice shirt - if you're portraying our unconventional units you could wear this - LRRPs had no TO&E, which is the system of allocation and procurement in the US Army which dictates what you were issued - As Dave Shows I'm sure will agree, the LRRP's wore what they could beg borrow or steal and many guys in Nam had Tiger fatigues made in country at Tailors who carried various tiger and ARVN airborne patterns - this is largely why you see LRRP's, Seals, Snipers and any other non conventional units in mismatched uniforms. The ARVN marine tigers were issued to many early advisors especially the USMC advisors but also SFG, and Mike Force members could easily wear this pattern - However for us it is a LRRP thing

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#34 [url]

Sep 13 11 5:36 AM

I am sure this pattern was more exclusivly worn by Navy Seals & Marine Recon units.The US Army, USSF,and LRRP's units would be commonly be seen in  JWD/JWS,Tadpole,LWD,LWS ,and zig zag varient tiger patterns,rather than this one.


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Sep 13 11 8:40 AM

VNMC Tigers were the original pattern, until US involvement it was the only pattern which is why it was the most commonly seen early war pattern, The fabric was widely available in huge bolts across RVN - so much so that it still is available which is why you find copies of VNMC shirts with dodgy patches on them being sold as "original" - Vietnam had no exclusive patterns of uniform except the ARVN never wore US jungle fatigues, however you will find US personnel wore all sorts of RVN camo, even the later ARVN Airborne 'flower power' version of ERDL made its way onto US troops. That is basically the only rule, we even know from Rolando that some line grunts wore Duck Hunter boonies on base (yet everyone will tell you that Duck Hunter was a USMC thing). There are a great many pictures of Seals wearing US Army tigers, and i'm sure if you get the magnifying glass out you'll see Army troops in VNMC tigers. I was told recently that a Cav vet who died recently told the guys in the British Legion that when he was in Nam the only time he ever saw anyone in any tigers was on the REMF's? That comes from a guy who did a tour with the Cav, extended as a doorgunner, rotated did his SF training and volunteered to go back with SOG - It all comes down to who saw what, which comes down to what missions you were on, what CTZ you were in and from there what bases you visited?
The one thing that you don't see is Army grunts carrying the older outdated USMC webbing as that was largely defunct WWII kit and the USMC only get new kit after the army have had it for years

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Sep 14 11 12:48 AM

i have been actively flicking through my pics,in books,and have found only one pic so far of a LRRP team in the mekcong delta in 69,its in colour and shows a trooper in action wearing a mismash of patterns ,a zig-zag hat,LWD jacket and VNMC trousers,so its certainly possible,but fairly uncommon,as the other patterns dominate in the reference material i have.

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#38 [url]

Sep 14 11 8:48 AM

Not all LRRP companies wore cammies some wore the plain old olive jungle fatigues...LRRP companies were not officially Special Forces so often relied on the normal channels of supply as the line companies most of the gear they carried was available to the line doggies although much of the gear that the MACV SOG recon teams carried was more specialist and hence not available. Tigers or beo gam's were often obtained privately which were normally in-country made so I agree there would be a mish mash of patterns worn although the VNMC pattern was very rarely worn by US troops unless they were advisors, and obviously it wasn't til later on in the war that the erdl's became the official camo of the Army.

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Sep 14 11 12:44 PM

I have a book Called "Vietnam The Secret War" which has a great picture over two pages of a group of CIDG being trained by US troops and in that there are 4 or 5 different Tiger patterns, some Beo Gam, Some really odd camo which i've not seen before and a guy in Greens - Shows that they wore what they got hold of, which was kinda my point in the first place, you only need one photo to set a precedent

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